How Quickly We Forget

Lyberty, 21 Feb 2005

The common line, currently, about supporting the War on Iraq:

"Yea, okay, so maybe we were entirely wrong about the Weapons of Mass Desctruction thing,
and, yea, maybe Iraq didn't really have anything to do with the Sept 11th attacks,
but we didn't make a mistake. Look at how much better off they [the Iraqis] are now. That
justifies everything."

This is historical revisionism. It implies that we [America] invaded Iraq with a common objective:
to "liberate" the Iraqi people. Please note, however, that rarely, if ever, was this goal stated
as a justification for invasion. The reason it wasn't used was because it was not a strong argument.
There are many nations in the world that could stand, from our point of view, to be "liberated".
But in the realm of world politics, we have agreed that countries cannot attack other countries
based on philisophical orientation alone. (Invasion or subversion of a foreign government is
illegal under international law.)

Furthermore, we ignore atrocities in many other countries.

Anyone who points out that we were lied to, and that the administration was proven wrong, is subjected to the spurious argument "so-and-so prefers mass graves and rape rooms over ink-stained fingers." As if it was a simple "either-or" proposition. You want to talk about mass graves?

The Feb 2005 Iraqi death toll (CIVILIAN ONLY deaths), since the beginning of our invastion of Iraqi and disposal of Hussein from power, is between 16,036 and 18,305.

As of Feb 2005: U.S. military dead in Iraqi conflict: 1,525 US Dead
U.S. military amputeed, wounded, injured, mentally ill, (as of Nov 2003, now out of Iraq), 29,550;
American civilians killed: 207


November 3, 2004 :

The US - Iraq war: Total Body Count

Conservative Source:

"The human toll [of the war in Iraq]:

U.S. military dead in Iraq, including suicides, 1,107;

U.S. military amputeed, wounded, injured, mentally ill, (all now out of Iraq), 29,550;

Iraqi civilians dead, 100,000 (?)

[from] a Johns Hopkins University study just released, an independent and conservative estimate."
Source: "Transcript: THE MCLAUGHLIN GROUP, October 29, 2004"


Non-conservative source:

According to the IRAQ BODY COUNT Database (a non-conservative source, which includes "civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation"):

the current Iraqi death toll (military and civilian) is between 14,272 and 16,405

The IRAQ BODY COUNT Database includes up to 7,350 deaths which resulted from coalition military action during the "major-combat" phase prior to May 1st 2003.
In the current occupation phase the database includes all deaths which the Occupying Authority has a binding responsibility to prevent under the Geneva Conventions and Hague Regulations. This includes civilian deaths resulting from the breakdown in law and order, and deaths due to inadequate health care or sanitation.
Results and totals are continually updated and made immediately available on this page and on various IBC counters which may be freely displayed on any website, where they will be automatically updated without further intervention.
Casualty figures are derived solely from a comprehensive survey of online media reports. Where these sources report differing figures, the range (a minimum and a maximum) are given. All results are independently reviewed and error-checked by at least three members of the Iraq Body Count project team before publication.


The principles of a "Just War":

The theory states that four conditions must be met “at one and the same time:
1) the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
2) all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
3) there must be serious prospects of success;
4) the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated.”


Moderating voices such as former US Marine and UN weapons inspector, Scott Ridder,
were often trivialized by the media as saps or madmen.

Mr. Ridder has been a popular target for ad hominem attacks (personal attacks seeking to discredit the message).
It is a logical fallacy (shut him up by accusing that he's some kind of pervert). It's amazing how everyone falls for the shifting of the debate from "was he right?" to "is he a bad person?"


The name of the "Patriot Act" was deliberately chosen to imply that anyone opposed to it was un-patriotic.

The bill was voted on without allowing the people voting on it to read it (rewritten 3:20 AM, vote was 11 AM).


Required viewing:

Unconstitutional: The War on Our Civil Liberties

Uncovered: The War on Iraq

(both of these are available on Netflix)