Shopping:

I've found a dell 8300 base system online today for $1,030 and free shipping.
Why is this so much lower than the SysCompare? i.e. What is the diff between the 8300 and the XPS? Or the Area-51 performance and the Area-51 Extreme?

 


Dell Dimension 8300 Series
Alienware 51 Performance FragBox Pro
Microprocessor Type:

Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology
3.0GHz
w/800MHz FSB

current options: 2.80, 3, 3.20, 3.40 GHz with Hyper-Threading Technology (800MHz)

Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology
3.0GHz w/800MHz FSB

 

Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology
2.80GHz
w/800MHz FSB [1]

System Board Chipset:

i875P
("Canterwood")

Note: The i875P has a faster memory transfer rate than the i865G

800 Mhz system bus;
Dual-Channel DDR (Dual DDR)
SDRAM 400 (PC-3200);
The 875P has ECC Support.

i875P
("Canterwood")

ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe
- Intel 875P Motherboard


Chipset Intel® 875P / ICH5R

Memory Type PC-3200 DDR SDRAM

Memory Capacity 4GB

System Bus 800Mhz

AGP Slot 8x

PCI Slots 5

USB Ports 8 USB 2.0

IDE Controller ATA-100

Serial ATA-150 Ports 4

Serial ATA-150 / RAID Yes

Ethernet Intel CSA Gigabit

Fire Wire Yes

i865(PE, G, or P?)

Intel® 865 Chipset

800Mhz system bus;

 

250-W Power Supply

(note: for higher end graphics card, a minimum power supply of 300 Watts is recommended)

650 Watt Max Power Supply Upgrade [+208]  
Power mod: Aerocool's Aero 420P4 is our favorite for performance and design. With maximum power of 455 watts it offers plenty of reserves even for high-end systems. Modding fans will like the unusual design with the three green acrylic windows that allow a look at the components on the interior of the shiny case.
Installed Memory: 512MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz
(PC-3200 2x256M)

512MB DDR SDRAM - 400MHz
PC-3200

1024MB DDR SDRAM - 400MHz
PC-3200
 

Additional needed:

512MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz (PC3200 2x256M)

Get 512 more from Dell for
+ $130

Get 512 more from Tiger Direct
+$130

Corsair Value Select Dual Channel 1024MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz
Memory (2 x 512MB) (w/ shipping)
+$245

Get 512 more from AWare for +121  
  Microsoft® Office 2003 Basic Edition (Word, Excel) +$130

 

 

 

120GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)

120GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)

120GB
Hard Drive, 7200 RPM, 8MB Cache

4.7GB (DVD)
700MB (CD)

10 GB free on disk needed for DVD creation

Single Drive: 16X DVD-ROM Drive

Additonal Need: DVD+/- RW

Dell offers a 8x DVD+RW Drive for + $140
(with Sonic RecordNow!, Sonic MyDVD and Intervideo WinDVD or Cyberlink PowerDVD)

The Sony DRU530A DVD Burner / 8x4x12x DVD+RW / 4x2x12x DVD-RW / 40x24x40x CD-RW / Dual Format is $150
The 4x model is only $70

Single Drive: 16X DVD-ROM Drive

Single Drive:

DVD+/-RW Black (also supports DVD-Rom, CD-RW media)

Video Card:


GeForce FX 5200 with TV-Out and DVI
(mine: GeFORCE FX 5200 AGP 128MB DDR)
128MB DDR
NVIDIA

The 5200 value is $50; the 5200 Ultra value is $130

Dell upgrade: 9800 Pro for $140 more (total: 190)
New 128MB DDR ATI RADEON™
w/ TV-Out and DVI [add $140]

 

GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
128MB DDR
NVIDIA

8x AGP w/DVI & S-Video
(AGP 4x/8x; 128 MB 650 MHz DDR; 325 MHz)
(
+$80 to value)

AWare Upgrade: 5900 SE for $63 more

GeForce FX 5900 and ATI RADEON 9800

btw the 5900XT is the same as the 5900SE

-9800 vs 5900 (128mb)
-9800pro(128mb) vs 5900ultra (256mb)
-9800xt (256mb) vs 5950ultra (256mb)
 

Desired Updgrade:

-GeForce 5700 w /128: $160


- NVIDIA GeForce™ FX 5600 Ultra 128MB 8x AGP
(note: I don't see the 5600 for sale anywhere, only the 5900. nVidia's currently only offering: 5200, 5300, 5700, 5900)

- ATI RADEON 9800 XT 256MB DDR
[Dell add $400]

- ATI All In Wonder 9800 Pro, 128MB DDR (RETAIL BOX): $350

- GeForce FX 5900 w/128MB : $250 to $300
or
- Radeon 9800 w/ 128
(not Pro, not XT) = $240
9800SE : $160

- GeForce FX5900 Ultra w/256MB $590

- GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP
w/DVI & S-Video [+470]

(the GAINWARD FX 5900XT POWER PACK ULTRA/1100XT W/ DVI/TV-OUT /DUAL MONITOR SUPPORT 128MB is $200 retail)


ATI RADEON 9600 XT 128MB 8x AGP
w/DVI & S-Video [+$30 ]

NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 SE 128MB 8x AGP
w/DVI & S-Video [+63.]

Alienware Extreme Edition GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP
w/DVI & S-Video [+350]

ATI RADEON 9800 XT 256MB DDR
8x AGP w/DVI & S-Video [+$350]

NVIDIA GeForce™ 6800 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP
w/Dual DVI & S-Video [+$550] PCI EXPRESS
( Limited Availabilty)




BFG Asylum nVidia
GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256MB Graphics Card

The performance difference between NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900, ATI RADEON 9800 and their faster analogues (Ultra and Pro) appeared not very high.
The pricing on NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 Ultra and ATI RADEON 9800 Pro exceeds that on the non-Ultra and non-Pro versions much more than by the 10-15% performance improvement.
The NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 and ATI RADEON 9800 are the most interesting, because if overclocked, they are mostly faster than their more expensive fellows.

"Like all NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900/5900 Ultra based graphics cards, the solution from Gainward requires additional power supply.."

Audio Card:

Sound Blaster Live! 5.1 (D) Card with Dolby® Digital 5.1 capability

(already have a Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy 2 ZS)

None  
 

updgrade to
Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro - 7.1
[+$220 retail]
(the Platinum Pro includes an external I/O hub and remote)
The "Platinum" is $180 (-$40); has Internal I/O Drive ( front panel connectivity), no remote

Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro - 7.1 - Recommended [+240]  
  Cost: $1,030, to A-Ware's level: $1,110
Cost: $1,535+ $120 shipping (+$545) Cost: $1700
 

Cost with upgrades:
sound card +220, 1.5 memory +245, new case($50), cooler, new power($80 to $120) = $1,635

get 1gHz mem with Dell XPS: (compare to $1400 for 8300): $1660 (+$230)
with 17" flat panel: $1,750 + $100 Shipping + tax = $2000
add sound card = $2000 sell monitor: $1,850

Cost with desired upgrades:
(1 gb mem, sound card, vid card)
$2,074 (+559 more)
 
 

how much to upgrade power? ($100)

okay choice is (leave out sound card)
8300 (w/ 3GHz, 1 gig ram, and 9800 graph card): $1300
add new power, fans, it's $1400
add shipping and tax, it's $1,550
add 17" monitor it's $1,650
add 1 gig ram it's $1,870
upgrade to 3.2 Ghz, it's $1,970


XPS (w/3.2 Ghz, 2 gig ram, and 9800 graph card): $1,660 (+360)
add shipping and tax, it's $1,910
add 17" monitor it's $2000 (+ $350 / +$130)

for $300 more you get the Aurora
For $100 less you get the XPS

AlienWare Aurora
(w/3.2 Ghz, 1 gig ram, and 5900 SE (= Radeaon 9600) graph card): $1,972
(w/ $119 shipping; $1,853 before shipping and tax)
add 1 gig mem: $2,250
add 17" monitor: + 164 (
$2,214

Area 51
(w/3.2 Ghz, 1 gig ram, and 5900 SE graph card): 1,912
add shipping; $2032
(only $60 more, but I don't get the graphics card I want)

  2 CD-ROM Slots (3.5"), 2 HD Slots    
PCI Slots: 4 5 1 Available PCI expansion slot
Serial ATA Connectors / Ports: 2 4  
  L1 cache
8 KB

L2 cache
512-KB or 1-MB pipelined-burst, eight-way set associative, write-back SRAM

 
 

System chip set
Intel 875P

DMA channels
eight

Interrupt levels
15

BIOS chip
4 Mb

NIC
integrated PCI Network Interface

System clock
533- or 800-MHz data rate

AGP 8X

 



  Bus types
PCI and AGP

Bus speed
PCI: 33 MHz
AGP: 133 MHz
 
  has 1000 Ethernet (Gigabit Ethernet) support
[via RJ-45 connection]
a 1000Mbps Gigabit Switch is about $80
   
"One potential drawback of the iI875P chipset is its removal of the 400Mhz FSB.
This means if you want to use an i875P you will need either a 533Mhz or 800Mhz FSB CPU.
i865-G does however support 400/533/800Mhz FSB."
"DDR-400 (PC3200) memory alone in single channel supports a max theoretical bandwidth of 3.2GB/s,
using Dual Channel you get 6.4GB/s, the same bandwidth speed that the 800Mhz FSB P4 is able to generate."
    Memory Type: DDR 333 or 400 (non-ECC)
DDR memory modules should be installed in pairs of matched memory size.
Digital & Analog 6-Channel Sound
      1.44MB Black Floppy Drive
Intel USB 2.0 controller 4 Ports
1394a Firewire controller w/ 3 Ports
10/100 Network Interface Port

Microsoft Windows XP Home
PowerDVD DVD playback software
Emergency System Recovery DVD
   

Drives

Externally accessible
two 3.5-inch bays
two 5.25-inch bays (CD-ROM drives)


Internally accessible
two bays for 1-inch–high hard drives

Features:
Clear Side Panels with laser cut active cooling

Upfront Firewire (1394) port

2 Upfront USB ports
Upfront speaker connections

Upfront microphone connection
Blue interior lighting



Digital audio (optical) in & outs
Only 9.5"(H) x 8.3"(W) x 12"(D)
Weighs only 14 pounds!
PRICE: $1695

 

 

   
       
       
       
       

 

1 To buy a new P4 3.0 GHz (if you want to upgrade) is $220 [back^]

2 i875P = Canterwood, Intel 865PE/G/P = Springdale

My Sys Alienware (Area 51 "performance" low-end) Falcon Northwest Mach V
Dell Dimension 4600 Series
 

$2,432

$2,825 (+$400) $1,517
1.80GHz 3.0 GHz 3.0 GHz Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology 3GHz w/800MHz FSB

Intel® i850 Chipset

(400MHz system bus; Dual RDRAM capability)

Intel® 875P / ICH5R

(800Mhz system bus; PC-3200 DDR SDRAM; 4GB; 8x AGP; ATA-100; Serial ATA-150 Support)
Intel® 875P

865G

800 Mhz system bus; Dual-Channel DDR SDRAM 400; 8x AGP

  ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe - Intel 875P Motherboard ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe - Intel 875P Motherboard  
  120GB
Seagate Barracuda® 7200.7 Serial ATA 7,200 RPM 8MB Cache
120GB
Seagate ST3120026AS 7200RPM SATA
120GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)
  1024MB DDR SDRAM Memory -
400MHz PC-3200
1024MB DDR SDRAM Memory -
400MHz PC-3200
1GB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400MHz (2x512M) PC3200
  Alienware Extreme Edition
GeForce™ FX 5950 Ultra 256MB 8x AGP
w/DVI & S-Video
GeForce™ FX 5950 Ultra 128MB DDR ATI RADEON 9800 PRO Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI
  Plextor PX-708A 8x DVD±R/W Drive - Black DVD+/-RW, TDK  
       
  Creative Labs
Audigy II ZS Platinum Pro [+238]
Creative Labs
Audigy II ZS Platinum Pro
+238